but Ill never negotiate against my own hire. I have several good friends at work who Im able to discuss things with and their validation of my experiences helps a lot. Thats not how it works. Most of the time when I look someone up, they have their own professionally-focused website. 2021530 . (Pizza, especially if you are on a college campus.). Even without bribing, it turned out that doctors would be more likely to prescribe something if they had the brand name in front of them all the time on pencils and other trivial things. I have snooped WITH my boss to find an instagram account dedicated to our coworkers llama. Hopefully, if biases ended up coming into play theyd be noticed and discredited. Its always fun to see whos disgusted by the anchovies and whos grossed out by the olives. You actively chose to do it every single time you posted. Social media is not privacy. Or youre getting the bio of Engineer Girls cousin, but figure that its the secret down low on Engineer Girl because what are the odds two people could be named Engineer Girl. I think thats acceptable, even if its for curiositys sake and not for any specific professional reason. We just had to send her the receipt. Bonuses are for good performance, IMHO. This debate reminds me of when a music video a certain Congresswoman made in college was re-posted by some of her political opponents. But yeah, its not inherently problematic that the director doesnt know the detail of the job. Otherwise it clogs your junk drawer and is ultimately useless. One can hardly post details of their personal life online and then claim that anyone who sees it is pre-judging or not getting to know them. * Trust me, Ive tried. I think Engineer Girls experience of having someone not only find out this (incorrect) information but start rumors about it and then not let go of these rumors even when corrected, is an outlier. Why on earth make it harder to be trapped in an office with them sixty hours a week by knowing things that may make you dislike them or find them weird? She eventually resigned, and on her last day she sent an email to the All Staff list to say there were chocolates and sweets in the kitchenbut not the head office one, even though she was spending her last day there. You probably shouldnt do that, and if you do you shouldnt be shocked if someone finds them. My management was moved to a manager who the director seemed to actually manage, and now I have two levels of people above me who have no idea what I do. Not continuously (like, Im not going to be looking you up on LinkedIn when weve worked together for a while), but at the start, absolutely. I get that my opinion last time was unpopular and not widely held by others. On the other hand, if a fellow competitive butter carver searched for me to find out about past competitions Ive been in, thats fine. It doesnt take much time at all to see on LinkedIn that someone has linked a professional blog under BlogName79 dot blogsite dot com, think hm, what else have they published under BlogName79? and pop that into Google and now youre reading their LiveJournal from 2002 and laughing at their MySpace top 8 choices. She didnt write on her blog that shed gotten arrested. Or is even that an overstep of boundaries? (I cant get a beloved pizza place 2 miles from my house to deliver to me because their delivery area ends at the end of my block and they wont even meet me at the corner.). how do I avoid mom energy with my younger employees? Imagine someone who doesnt want her new office to know she is a survivor of a newsworthy event so she can have one place in her life to feel more normal again. Honestly? Do you see a For Sale sign out front? I sometimes (in a semi-official capacity) have to search for contact information for people who make a point of not having private contact information online, and who also cannot be contacted for the purpose in question using their professional contact information. I like the idea of sending a gift card now and then. I am constantly receiving Starbucks giftcards that are of no use to me, since I dont drink coffee or tea. I have been alone after hours with someone who started using softer phrases from the alt-right message boards that have now produced multiple mass shooters. I think most if not all county tax assessors post sales records, name of person buying, and assessed value online now, if not online most places consider it an accessible public record. There are things I used to be an expert in but dont recall currently because Im focused on the current project/programming language. Ohhh thats true too. If you opt for gift cards or similar for them, make sure they actually have access to the stores! So a lot of verification services now dont do it because its not really worth figuring out the legality. That may involve multiple layers of googling. If you discover that all your dirty laundry is hanging on the line for everyone to see, then follow the steps to take it down where its possible. Nothing to do with social media. Then noting when they go to the bathroom. Weve had almost 100% turnover in HR since this last time I pushed to get this policy changed. I would feel comfortable saying ^ in front of them and our boss, so it makes sense. Look, if Im talking to young people or folks who are still finding their way with social media or the like (and there are a LOT of them, and not all old), Id be very, very clear about the need to lock down your data, be careful about what you post, etc. And housemate isnt a professional relationship, I think different rules apply. And if you find something like you find, theres still time to act. If you post something on social media for the public to see and are then shocked and surprised that the public sees it, thats on you. Such reasons are theyre acting creepy or setting off that gut check response [another comment above here goes into an account of how their creep-radar went off and googling confirmed suspicions], they mention something in passing that makes you go Wait, what? Yuck. interviewing with a service dog in my lap, boss thinks Im a stonerbecauseI called out on 4/20, and more, I desperately need breaks between my back-to-back meetings, I manage a gay employee and our company is homophobic, a coworker told me I talk too much, Im still ruminating over a job I didnt take, and more, should I invite my team to my home for dinner, will my company expect me to work with my ex, and more, after I hired someone, a mutual friend told me Id made a huge mistake. #1 I very much fall into the camp of anything more than a linkedin search is being too nosy. I realize its public and can be seen, but theres something very considerate about helping maintain the polite fiction that we each actually have some privacy. So despite all my efforts to explain, this Director is not someone who needs to be taught anything. Sorry if it came across as looking up coworkers personal lives, I mean this more in a professional lookup capacity. Mine have all disappeared so I cant see whats new and whats not, so Im wading through comments Ive already read. As a remote worker, Ive always enjoyed starbucks gift cards or coffee in the mail nice coffee and a mug at the holidays at the very least, and coffee a couple times a year or a subscription to a coffee/tea subscription box or something like that if you are frequently taking people out. If you find your company accountant had previously been tried for fraud at his last two companies, then oh yeah, thats worthwhile information. She was a VP and I was a director with a large team but she wasnt very effective and they thought these would help her, they didnt. If you didnt want me to see what you post, why did you post it? All of which is to say this is probably one of those things thats not one size fits all. Our workplace has remote sites, about 50 people in one location, and 30 spread out in small teams in different cities. The existing rules on eavesdropping are applicable here. Could be worse the contractor I worked for when I left the public sector looked up my salary on the local newspapers public data site after I warned them not to use my previous salary to evaluate my offer. There are now state-wide and local bans about asking for previous salary because it perpetuates pay disparities. If you check in on Facebook everywhere you go, MAYBE it should not come as a huge shock when people know where you were every Tuesday at 7. And by she I meant s/he the director of alpaca exams. Im in a little rural spot on the map about an hour away and there is no such thing as delivery out here. Most importantly, remain silent until they're . I think advocating for 5% more is total crap. I recently had an interview at a -. Its only a momentary thrill of a freebie and then turns into why do I have this crap?. Learning that a direct report has researched their managers resume and background just to figure out how to talk to them just feels off. Well Id be fine with someone doing this to me, so its okay for me to do it! In my last job my boss and I looked up the FB page of a candidate in our entity (I cant remember exactly why we did this, he was probably acting like a jerk though) and it turns out his page was filled with racist and homophobic posts. Way too much. Because Im a pragmatist when it comes to things like safety, and as my husbands driving instructor said about defensive driving If you wind up in the hospital, its not going to matter if you were right or not. It doesnt make it ok to run red lights, or to assault someone because its a dark nigh etc. I think that first example might even get you asked to leave a restaurant depending on the context. The mortgage business for one cant accept anything valued over $50. And you dont have to never post on any public forum to have a reasonable expectation that people arent going to go to extreme lengths to cyberstalk you, like by cross-referencing a username they found linked to your email on one site with usernames on other sites, a la Ross Ulbricht. What Id value most would be permission to work from home for a day, but thats not really in the same category as office pizza, so I dont blame him for not offering it. I should note people are all about privacy in Idaho. MS has just updated their (extremely dense and unreadable) terms to include that information. So I agree with you that this information is on a slightly different level than social media stuff. The first thing I thought of when I read that, was being a kid and my father pulling over to houses being built (more like a whole development, rather than a single house) to check it out.. And they were very rude when I told them to make an appointment. Its ridiculous. It also makes the company MORE vulnerable, rather than less. She didnt see herself as an ineffective manager, but that it was everyone elses issue. No see thats creepy. But were privately owned without any contracts involved and no conflicts of interest. Adapt as appropriate to your industry. Keeps things interesting! I think those that are saying we shouldnt be googling coworkers are probably right, but its really not a question of should vs. shouldnt, but will vs. wont. This is a touchy issue for me. Do I mind that my coworker looked up/at my insta, no. how much snooping can you do on coworkers, my manager told a reference Im twenty something and I dont care either. They organize a ton of social after-hours type events for on-site employees so getting something special made me feel like I had my own alternate way to celebrate even though Im not there. Sometimes even with drink (I have no clue if it was coffee or not) in their hand. #1 My stance is, if youve published it on the internet, its fair game. Its another thing to take a look at things they purposefully make public about themselves on a popular social media site. But on social media where you explicitly post things for public consumption you should not be surprised someone looked at your posts. I mean, most peoples addresses are easy to find online, and everyone used to have a list of them arrive at their house. In general, I think its very bad to look up applicants early in the process. This! where employees are expected to have fairly active online presences. Its out there for public consumption. Totally normal. If they are looking for information on my butter carving competitions, thats over the line. I think the person with the dog walked into the house by themselves out of curiosity. I do get creeped out when I see someone liked one of them from five years ago. +1 I assume people are scrolling through my old facebook photos. So I agree to ask at least. My manager confronted me after my workmate gave his notice. People in my office occasionally had meetings with another branch in a neighboring city 45 minutes away, and Jill from my office had a weird experience with Mike from the other office, who asked for her phone number and then texted several times asking her out, despite her making clear that she was not interested. I have an unusual name. colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs If I did an interview on CNN six weeks ago, it would be silly of me to be shocked that people had seen it. It sucks. I dont think doing a check on a date, coach or look up sex offender registries is insane at all. But to then look them up on Facebook, notice their URL is a kind of username, look THAT up on Twitter, see they tweeted about home buying woes, go look up county records to find their address and go look at their house listing on Zillow etc. Thats how my curiosity will be sated. I am pretty careful about what I put on line and frequently check privacy permissions on social media, but there is no way for me to mitigate the background type sites. I think if that were to happen at the interviewing stage and the candidate was one of the top picks, it would make sense to have a woman interview them and evaluate if she felt safe with them or was getting weird vibes. It reminds me of the people who want to know results of personality tests so they can tailor how to interact with a person. Usenet existed decades before the World Wide Web. Yeah, we have only a couple of remote workers and when we have a staff celebration where we are given lunch, they either arrange for a gift card or tell them to buy themselves lunch and the finance staff will be given a heads up to approve reimbursement. Now people can find your address (and many other things) with the click of a button. Engineer Girl because some people are nosey, as you said. A gift certificate to services like Postmates or UberEats will often cover a much larger area.. It makes me so sad, though, because I SO LOVE managing my team, working with the clients we have served, and making the awesome products we have made. Theyre good on a hot pizza and extra good on the cold leftover pizza the next day, like a salty little umami bomb. I think LW3 May need to reframe some of this relationship instead of basing everything off the attitude that everyone is clueless and treating them like new managers. Yeah, thats real. Suggestion: dont do anything youd categorize as snooping. Whats your motivation? Its not how it should be, but its how it is. The HR professional then dug deeper into what was going on and the history of my role, apologized profusely for the unproductive way my team was transitioned to this new Director, seemed appropriately appalled by my treatment, then left and never spoke to me again until the meeting where I was transitioned to a new layer of management. You know people can find something to complain about in anything, but I really appreciate that he makes the effort. There is a programming language I have multiple endorsements for that Ive never used (thanks to LinkedIns algorithms and prompting other users). 27-year-old me believed that people were entitled to have their pasts forgotten, but Today Me wouldnt even blink. Heres an example of release of personal information without consent: our county tax assessor posts your name, the value of the property, and your marital status (?!?) Yes, I hadnt thought of this but it definitely makes them a more flexible option! Save your money, read AAM. Crazy how the mind works, but makes total sense. Some verification services like The Work Number will provide an option for employment dates with salary, but I think it costs more. UberEats and Postmates dont cover this area. https://www.askamanager.org/2018/05/i-won-money-on-a-work-trip-to-vegas-do-i-have-to-donate-it-to-my-employer.html, https://www.askamanager.org/2018/12/update-i-won-money-on-a-work-trip-to-vegas-do-i-have-to-donate-it-to-my-employer.html. I can spend my commute time cooking something for myself, which Ill probably like better anyway. Practically everything on social media is posted with express permission from the user. Looking at publicly broadcast information is in no way the same as using binoculars to look inside someones private home. Social media is like work communication times a millionif its something you wouldnt want people to see, then by God keep it offline. But I have no way to stop that or what might be available if they do. Whether you work full- or part-time, we offer wide variety of benefits and well-being resources. I remember your story about the emery board! The EU has a right to be forgotten law, but the US and other countries do not. I seem to be in the minority on this, even moreso now. I heard from another team that they sent someone to these because they needed to spend down their budget otherwise it would be cut the next year. Thank you for being the voice of reasonsays someone who worked at a company where people were chastised for waiting until the vendor left the building before turning in the coffee cup or (and I am not kidding) emery board. if I were hiring, sure yeah. If you wear a cow costume in public, the people there cant help but see it. And at that time it would be hard to let unconscious bias against, say, someone with an unseen disability or pregnancy status, derail the hiring at that point. And then theres my mother who, many years ago when Google Image Search became a thing, decided that the very best thing to try it out with was the full name of my then-boyfriend. Its stupid and my boss looks at me funny every time I have to disclose a crappy pen, but its written in our handbook as a termination-worthy offense to accept literally anything (except food/drinks during a meeting) without approval. And I say this as someone who (1) doesnt google coworkers, and (2) wouldnt like coworkers to google me. But even with that stuff I knew not to bring anything up I found from my search when I talked to them. Its not work-relevant that you stumbled onto someones explicit pix on a dating page (or courtesy of some revenge porn jerk) and you may be reasonably sure that a client will not recognize them in that gear, unless theyve changed in the same bathroom and seen the tatoo that confirmed it for you. Get up to 15 in ExtraBucks Rewards on select summer essentials. Some of its fairly innocuous (hey, did you hear so and so plays ball and has kids? Not necessarily fire / not hire. I also have identity theft issues (thanks, ex-husband number 1!) Curiosity isnt some weird unusual thing. To put it bluntly, she lucked out when she got her job, and the opposite happened to me. If I have my blinds open I can see into their windows and they can see into mine. Youre seeing it all on purpose. So they worked (and billed for services) for *months* under a revoked license, until an entry-level staff member snooped and uncovered the truth. Snooping Coworkers- And What You Can Do About It - Warrior Lodge Media Once a quarter, we have a budget for a catered team lunch. For me, the difference is the amount of effort taken. I was horrified to find that my current address, age, and prior residences were visible on the first page of the google search. At my previous workplace they never did anything for remote employees, but there was often stuff happening for employees in the central office. Im in corporate recruiting and often go beyond LinkedIn to check out someones professional presence, especially if they are SMEs or hold senior titles. Because public records, amongst other things, have all gone digital it is very possible to find some very invasive things about a person that they DID not post. I think most people would agree thats invasive. Or even non-protected characteristics. So, yeah. if you bought a house, how much you paid for it. I ended up coming into work late one day so I could drop everything and tour this house and put in an offer the very day it went on the market, so everyone at work knew more about my home-buying process than usual. The fault falls squarely on the shoulders of the person doing the snooping. I can see it in the arts, because if you google an artist, you might find neat examples of their work and stuff. Right?! So someone decided I was divorced and hiding it. All that is required to find this stuff is firstname lastname city state. vocabulary. Many times the individual did NOT post it online though. Checking out career paths and history is very helpful, to be sure. Thats a big YIKES. If OP wants to stay they have to shift and stop trying to tell their director what they do and start focusing on what value that thing brings to the company. And literally no one else I know can tolerate them. That doesnt mean Id be happy if you called me up. Can I ask what you would do/have done in an instance where you find something racist or homophobic? What can I do to make myself less upset about this, and what can I say to my boss in the near future in a way that doesnt throw her under the bus? Im a consultant. It would be different if they were giving you something that they clearly hoped your company would use (and possibly buy more of), like software or equipment. And if they dont use their own name, I think its not cool to bring it up, even if youre sure that u/frogsarestupid is your colleague. You do not get to claim that your privacy was somehow violated, or that someone is being a creep, for seeing you on CNN, during your public broadcast, intended for billions of people, on a site specifically and EXPRESSLY designed for the purpose of broadcasting what you choose to put out there. Or maybe Ill go to a tradeshow, collect all the swag I can get my hands on, and submit individual disclosures on each item. Last job I had we regularly brought in doughnuts, especially to celebrate end of a hard project. Right? Colleague vs. Coworker: What's the Difference? | InHerSight But also, Im not sure what I would do with that information if I did find something about them except maybe be cautious. I used to work in journalism where being curious and investigating peoples backgrounds was part of the job and while it would have been odd to do so intently with a coworker, it would have been more weird than horrifying, especially since we would be googling each other on all platforms to look for old stories. That sounds perfectly legitimate to me, and I dont think the OP will help themselves by assuming bad faith. Its a request for advice about where the line is between looking at easily-available info on a coworker, and creeping. Its not illegal everywhere, so it still happens, but I think its generally falling out of practice, which is good. Many people see it as a normal thing. I also wasnt talking about social media. (Its an oldie but goodie internet treasure. I think that is pretty common and not a big deal, I see in my linkedin profile view others doing the same quite frequently. I completely understand not wanting your coworkers to know about that tragedy. It was pushed by one of the partners, who wanted some things done, had a general idea what he wanted, but didnt know exactly what was needed. But I do not think they are that far apart. Better yet, come back and say it was so good everyone should go. But it would be creepy if they walked right up to your window and cupped their hands on the glass to peer in, or climbed up a tree to get a better view into the second level of your house, or used binoculars to get a closer look. However if you want to know my background and ask me about my research I am very happy to tell you all about it. Yeah, the combination of research tendencies and openly posted CVs makes for very different expectations. Dont do these search early in the process with many candidates that can lead you to unconsciously weeding out certain types of people. Mental issues? Alison mentions a GrubHub giftcard they deliver from dozens of different restaurants. Which often include quotes from your post. I think the world has just changed and therefore our points of view have to. I can well imagine that their director really might not have had useful or thoughtful feedback for them in the appraisal, which is a shame and shouldnt happen. I was an early Usenet user. Browsers didnt even exist back then, so there was no vision of what the internet would look like 25 years in the future. Thats literally why it exists. The fact that its pens and notepads is the point. We know our information is out there. I agree, LinkedIn is totally fair game. Posting on social media is like going on camera, live on the air, on CNN. If youre doing a specific, targeted search for information about someone, thats creepy, unless you have a compelling reason for doing so. If they google me to find out what kinds of llamas I have on my llama farm, thats over the line. After all, I put them there. Then the editor (20 years later) decided to put it all out on the internet. You said the OP is looking for plausible deniability because they want to snoop on coworkers. Having been slightly underpaid at my previous company, I have been taking courses on salary negotiation tactics. 1) Ill learn more about their work, and 2) I can judge my own website as lacking in design or navigation (or very occasionally feel like hey, mine isnt so bad!). Couldnt those people just walk over to where ever the food is and grab some. No valid professional reason. I do not like anchovies on pizza, but I have had them in cocktail bites and apps before, and they are quite flavorful so I do acknowledge their tastiness! She never bought a pen or a thing of hand sanitiser or even a coffee mug, nowadays, she never really gets anything at all. In the case of snooping, I dont think its ever ok. Its not driving by their house. TRUE FALSE 7) Colleague responsibilities related to compliance include which of the following: Report if you have been placed on a state or federal exclusion list Report if you have been convicted of a minor traffic violation Report when your employment-related professional licenses have been renewed Report when you complete annual continuing How can I better understand what my manager wants from me when she will not speak to me?. apple watch series 5 speaker replacement. It was apparently a reference so obscure and specific that all the search results were stuff related to his username on various sites. We asked Peter Sokolowski, a lexicographer at Merriam-Webster, about the etymologies of the two words and . I assume the blog was truthful (I tend to believe victims as well as bad vibes), but what if it hadnt been and he was solely fired on the basis of it? I just got through through the conversation and moved on because I knew this was her way of trumpeting I found you on twitter! Then one day she explosively yelled at me because and follow this one through I was in a twitter thread with several people and made a comment relative to the thread. I dont think that I myself have ever done anything more than check someones LinkedIn page, but a quick little superficial Google search doesnt sound out of line to me. Similar we have deemed certain family law issues to have no legitimate public interest that is why family issues with minors are sealed, juvenile court records are usually sealed, and I think that most details of divorce proceedings are not public (someone correct me if I am wrong). Ive never been tempted to Google coworkers, but I have Googled dates. In our work environment its ok to ask about previous experience (but not go into too much detail) but asking about someones education would be considered odd. Work Colleagues: Definition and How To Communicate With Them Enough information so that you know where theyll be every Tuesday at 7 is over the line. Everything else Ive tossed into a drawer and forgotten about, then been annoyed about having later. People didnt necessarily post it! Personally Id rather have a co-worker tell me my vacation in Paris looked great, than someone checking in on my DUI from 1987 and potentially costing me a job (didnt happen, fictitious example..). If they google me to find out about my love of competitive butter carving, thats over the line. Think a former teapot painter managing the llama care department, and then not understanding that theres animal welfare guidelines for the care and keeping of llamas. There was no inappropriate disclosure of information involved. OP2: Layoffs suck, Im sorry you had to go through that. In this case, our OP didnt put it out there. I would never share that kind of personal information with coworkers, but its archived on easily accessible news sites that I have no control over and I know it colors others perceptions of me. The REASON things are on the Internet is honestly irrelevant and derailing. If I google you and find your home address, thats not a violation.
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