I gave it four stars only because I couldnt give it 4.8. I havent used the heaviest new bullets that could be considered Creedmoor; bullets, bullets over 142 grains, but have been reloading long enough to say stick with 140-142 grain bullets, SMK, Amax, Accubond etc, and RL22. MAG291-BLK I have two proven sniper rifles, one a savage axis 270, scoped with a redfield 412. Ruger Every commercial match load Ive tried is sub-MOA. However, as you well know, the 7.62 NATO works just fine, and is the smartest cartridge to own. We knew this was not going to work at this range with the different velocity and bullet weight, and the notorious 3 MOA accuracy of military ball ammunition. Why? And if you ask me, you are getting a lot of sniper rifle for that kind of money. Something is wrong. It now reaches more than 320,000 unique visitors weekly. Some of the best bolt-action rifles include the Remington 700, Tikka T3x TAC A1, and Ruger Precision Rifle. I own both rifles. as an accessory then anything from intermediate to long eye relief scout scopes could be mounted. If you are looking for a good 308 rifle for long-range shooting, there are many great options to choose from. And this is the rub as it relates to this RPR. The SST is just as accurate and a better performer on deer, yet the Amax pretty darn good on deer as well. Where these accuracy gremlins really start to manifest themselves was out at the quarter-mile line and beyond. Without that weight and padding, the A2-equipped RPR was a less pleasant to shoot. Second, the Creedmore is just as powerful as the harder recoiling .308 downrange due to its higher BC. The truth is that the 6.5 stood up to that better. We can debate the necessity of the bolt knob, and magazine feeding, and adjustable stocks, and such. Well, TTAG has had the very capable and adorable Ms. Kirsten Joy Weiss on these pages, doing all manner of trick shots that require shooting with accuracy. The good news is that the Ruger Precision Rifle only retails for $1,500. Since that was a virgin bore, may lapping improve its performance? Two nearly completely in the same hole. No its not an RPR, and you actually have to put in a little work to get it, but that same 10 pound gun is now an accurate action mounted/torqued in an all aluminum chassis and will perform as good, if not better than the RPR. Been shooting for more than 40 years and never heard of such a thing. Its a full four inches shorter than the 6mm Creedmoor version and six shorter than its .243 counterparts. Factory ammo is plentiful and cost competitive with factory match .308. You said it picked up pieces of the patch, is that something thatll fire-lap you think, or not. Match Kings. Moyie Springs, Idaho 83845. WebRuger Marksman Adjustable trigger is externally adjustable with a pull weight range of 2.25 to 5.0 lbs. I am not a comp shooter just a guy learning how to shoot But everyone at the range was impressed I was impressed thats the best I have ever shot. Ruger's Precision Rifle Has Shattered The Myth About Not sure what the tells you but getting sighted in was 2 shots and I was in business. Where this lack of weight manifests itself quite clearly is in the recoil department. Oversized bolt knob. WebMedium-contour (.75" at the muzzle) threaded barrel with 5/8"-24 threads. Ive owned more than a few bolt-action hunting rifles, in various calibers, that could keep my three round groups right at an inch at 100 yards. Im glad I bought it! Id guess that theres a small advantage to a long barrel in consistent velocities, but only if the girth is thickened to retain the same degree of rigidity. Many times, when they are busy, Ill step behind the counter to lend a hand with gun customers. It would be a very efficient rifle on the field. If they have 4 wheel drive many will never use it. The barrel length on a competition .22, which has to be shot standing off-hand (as well as sitting, kneeling and prone) is over 24 inches. THe Ruger Precision Rifle, Purpose Built to Distance Itself from the Typical Long-Range Rifle. I load my own using Sierra Match King. More to follow. Shes all mine. And as if my prayers had been extra-double answered, one day later an email hit my inbox from our perpetual patrons at Kentucky Gun Company to let me know that they had a RPR in .308 WIN that we could thrash around on as well. After 84 years, the throat on my M38 worn, yet still shoots good. However Im not giving up yet. I was also dealing with every Tom, Dick, and Harry that was sighting in his muzzle loader that wanted to chat about the rifle or look over my shoulder when I was shooting it. I dont know about everyone else on this blog but 3 different rifle calibers of the same rifle with THREE different barrel lengths!? Please let others know they too can trust SurvivalBlog for the most reliable and practical survival information by voting for SurvivalBlog on topprepperwebsites.com. It all makes for an interesting horse race. WebRuger Precision Bolt Action Rifle in .308, 6.5 PRC, 6.5 Creedmoor, .300 Win Mag and .338 Lapua Magnum calibers. Overall Length43.25" - 46.75". The Swede barrel that can match Creedmoor velocities is the long M96 barrel with a 1:7.8 twist that can handle most of the heavy 6.5 bullets the Creedmoor typically can with it s 24 1:8 twist barrels. Theres plenty of cheap ammo out there thats accurate enough to brush up your skills to the point where you could use match ammo in .308, not so much in 6.5 Creedmore. Cold hammer-forged 4140 chrome-moly steel barrel with 5R Rifling at minimum bore and groove I spent some time on the living room floor before hitting the range getting the stock setup for me but still struggled with it while shooting partially because the rings were too low for the RPR setup. This gun never seemed to be a laser in my hands. Otherwise, not every barrel is going to come off the line with the same accuracy, especially before theyve been worn in. The Creedmoor uses a smaller cartridge up to a maximum pressure of 62,000 psi, where as the Swede uses a larger case and slower powers at a much lower maximum pressure 46,000 cup (about 50,000 psi). Its more suited for what I want to do. I did notice upon cleaning the 6.5 and the .308 back to back that the .308 seemed to have quite a bit more carbon and copper fouling after a fairly similar round count. Why didnt they just make them ALL 26 and be done with it? Firelapping will require that you load up the abrasive bullets with starting loads for the .308, and follow the instructions. That said, if youre looking to put lead down range accurately, heres a general guideline for matching Here, Im almost to a point of demanding you turn in your Man Card. For the new shooter getting into shooting long-range precision, Id absolutely recommend the 6.5 Creedmoor version of this rifle. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. But given the choice of those two rifles, Id be facing a really tough decision. Curious about bore diameter relating to weight and such, I pounded a French-press worth of coffee, and dusted off some underused math skills, and found that the change in bore diameter didnt matter one bit. POOR service in anyones opinion. I still try to shoot with iron sights to keep my consistency intact. The only down-side is those 4 round Savage magazines. Sold it and got a mossberg MPV LC in 308, much better gun. Shot 1/2 moa at a hundred and two hundred yds. Uh, the Czech ammo hit the plate over and over again using the same come-up data. It is not 100% stock. Ill stick around and read more reviews. I forgot to say that I used 7.62 ammo. Box 303 Therefore DO NOT consider folding stock an advantage, but rather a hindrance to maintenance and repair its a cool gimmick. Ruger still very much has a winner on their hands. BTW, we didnt know we couldnt hit the steel with the old .308 round because the hot .264s (6.5CM, .260 Rem, etc) hadnt been invented yet. On the other hand, a shot or two in the vicinity of someone on your property will more than likely send them running away. Is everybody else lying or is somthing else going on here ? A suppressor (the trust route?) Gun Review: Ruger Precision Rifle in .308 WIN. In about 3 months Ill be able to update on how its working out. Still, the set-up was fairly good although I really needed a bipod on the RPR and I needed to go prone, to get the very best accuracy out of this rifle. Few people are going to compete in F target class with a deer rifle. Brand new you can still find them on sale for under $700. Generally they are accurized, but no more accurate than many modern hunting or target rifles. They are virtually identical, but the Creedmoor is a tad faster, and because it is a modern rifle, and sold as a precision rifle, and factory ammunition is tailored for accuracy at long ranges, the rifle will likely be more accurate straight out of the box. Ill take one in 308 and put the money I save toward a suppressor. Soin short Ruger will make a killing selling this silly looking thing that shoots about as good as a $400 pawn shop deer rifle. Given that, its just bullet weight, powder charge and COL to tune a load for max accuracy. I get it: each person can use their guns for whatever application they want. with zero on the paper! Folded length is 31.60-inches and it is easy to fold the stock closed. In a 10lb 308? Savage has certainly found a home in that market, and theres no reason Ruger cant cash in on it as well. Good rant. He is also a retreat consultant specializing in off-grid living, rural relocation, and survival preparedness. WebRuger American .308 Winchester 22" Black Vortex Crossfire 3-9x40. 3MOA with 7.62 NATO surplus (acceptable), 2MOA with 175gr SMK handloads (not acceptable). In retrospect I probably should have gotten the 6.5 Creedmore. Accuracy was so bad after I bought it I sent it back to Ruger. I get frustrated with the every rifle must be short and light and look as much like an AR as possible crowd. They really shine with 3x the barrel life in a magnum rifle and you also gain some corrosion resistance. I believe that I got lucky with my first 6.5 RPR, a gen 1. These new ELD bullets have MUCH better physical characteristics than the 168 gr. In my mind, the perceived lack of accuracy is offset by just about every other feature of the gun. The trigger was very good and reminded me of the accutrigger on a Savage 10P I regret selling. I ran the gun hard and didnt give it optimal conditions in which to perform because I wanted to see a worst case scenario. I have been reading and watching on youtube all the reviews I can find about this rifle in 308 this the first one I have found that has anything negative to say about the accuracy of this rifle ! $1,039.00 $989.99. Since theyre the same gun (functionally) from the chamber backwards, this weight savings came from everything forward of the magwell. I have an RPR Gen 3. I run these bullets in a 6.555 M38 at reduced speeds to match the calibration on a turret scope set up for a 7.62 NATO 168 grain trajectory. Survival AR-7 Rifle, Gun Review: Blaser R8 Ultimate Carbon Hunting Rifle, http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/story/1616372-sniper-s-hide-complete-ruger-upgrade-review, Capacity: 10 rounds (20- and 25-round PMags are available in the market), Stock: Folding stock, Adjustable Length of Pull and Comb Height. Ive only to put on my slippers and step out my shop door on select days to harvest my elk(<115yrds so there'll be no humping it. I have liked the RPR since it came out, but it does have some short-comings. The fact that they also will feed from the same magazine is a major bonus. In-line recoil path manages Its a 2+ MOA rifle. If I can persuade someone to make an extended rail (please, Ruger?) Well, its not my rifle, but I sure as heck dont treat new barrels like that. I have one of the earlier .308 RPRs S/N 4XXX. Ruger Precision Rifle .308Win 20" Barrel - turners.com This previously owned long range Ruger Precision Rifle .308 Win Gen.3 - Bchsen - Waffen Notify Me When Available. By appearance and feel they pretty much ripped off the Savage design best I can tell. I dont know why this one isnt a lights-out shooter like the 6.5. These are the base models, not the newer enhanced models Rugers also offering now, which are about $300 more. RPRNation.com has a nice list of upgrades and parts for this rifle. If you can not find RL22, get these powers in this order: IMR 4831, Norma MRP, or H4350. I cant wait to get my hands on this rifle. As noted, the safety was a bit sloppy but worked well. Why? to ask. Question of the Day: WWJS (What Would Jesus Shoot)? However, were not talking about hunting rifles per se in this article. Canadians used .303 Lee Enfields. Im guessing you bought both of them, no? The rifle for this review was provided by the Kentucky Gun Company. WebModel Number: 18028 Caliber: 308 Win StockFolding, Adjustable Length of Pull and Comb Height FinishType III Black Hard-Coat Anodized Barrel Length20" BarrelCold Hammer The first thing I do is to remove the factory supplied muzzle breaks and install an A2 type flash hider.not nearly the muzzle blast. A little over 2-2.5 off-hand. On to the biggest difference. And it is easier on the barrel as it runs at a max pressure of only 45,000psi, instead of 62,000psi for the Creedmoor. And more often than not, shots at those distances usually require more than one shot. Ruger Precision I recently traded in my Ruger RPR .308 because of the excess weight and lack of accuracy (ie) 3/4MOA was the best I could get with Federal Gold Match) , for Rugers Magpul Hunter. And, if all you do is want to punch paper at the range, then go for it you wont be disappointed with this Ruger. I was holding about a 12 group at 800 yds. A Savage 10TR (may be only a Canadian offereing) These come from the factory with a threaded, heavy barrel in either 20 or 24. A sniper rifle is a rifle used by a sniper it is not a specific type or caliber. That requires 5.56/223 or .308 anyway. Averages around 2-2.5 with the same loads that do .5-.7 in my Savage 10BA. Glad that Pat included a bit of talk about shooting down people at long range. I shot the Norma 178 gr. WebRuger Precision Rifle Bolt 308 Winchester/7.62 NATO 20" 10+1/15+1 Precision Adjustable Synthetic Black Stock Black Hard Coat Anodized Barrel Length Range: 20.00" to They make them for the RPR. OK, I need to get up on my hind legs here and issue forth a rant. Also includes: two, 10-round Magpul PMAG magazines. Alternatively, I spend quite a few days in the fall, winter, and early spring in and out of a truck or blind and on foot in search of whitetail, axis, and pigs. I picket up that Savage used for $450 and it out-shoots the $1,200 RPR all day long with sub MOA performance. I wish this Ruger would have recd a better review. It comes My 20 inch AR10 pushes my 155 grain hornaday OTM load at 2811 FPS and consistently holds 1.5 MOA. I am an average shooter and I have never shot worse than .75 with the 6.5 RPR. while the .308 measured 9.886 lbs. Now that Ruger has this rifle I see it as an ideal platform for a Scout. Federal Gold Metal shoots 5-shot 0.6 MOA groups all day long. Jeff Quinn over at Gunblast described the Creedmore barrel as about 7/8 inch at the muzzle. Those vibrations run down the barrel ahead of the bullet. I tried the supplied 2 10 rd pmags and a DPMS 4 rounder that I have bouncing around in my range kit. I know most people around here are not fans of dead tree rags but I dont think they lied about the results. OMG, agree completely, and couldnt frankly believe such a thing was possible. My hand loads shoot 5-shot 0.5 MOA groups all day long. and Smithing. This problem is of course only amplified when you screw a silencer to the end of the barrel. A good hand load will cure fix that issue. Theres a lot to like about the RPR, and there is about a page and a half of specs on this, but Ill only cover \a few key specs. In the review above, you claim to have put a brake on this rifle but you didnt specify whether the groups were shot with or without the brake, or whether you tested for any effect of the brake on group size. Velocity loss is a problem in long range shooting. If I didnt think it would break Nicks review engine, Id award the RPR six stars for customization. That is impressive. Because of the barrel twist, I did not try anything lighter. Notify Me When Available. Getting a scope thats able to match your rifles shooting ability is your key to success. This new Ruger precision rifle has my name all over it. It will shoot sub MOA all day long probably around .75 or so. If the RPR cant get the same or better, its really not worth it. Just something to think on. But how can you beat it at that price point a question I have been asked by a number of fellow shooters in my area and how can you improve on it. Because the Swede uses its long barrel, and slow powders at much lower pressures the barrels, the brass lasts forever. My Rock River LAR-8 shoots the same bullet .75 MOA. To save you the humiliation of asking a girl how much rifle shes hefting while she out-shoots you, Ill give you the answer: Same as my Annie over 10 pounds. Hmmm, your comment about having sell your 300 win mag when newly married, struck a cord with me, as I did the same thing. You my friend, need to seriously write a book! Barrel length is only 20-inches, but you dont need any longer barrel than that. RUGER PRECISION .308 GEN 2 RIFLE Ruger may have some problems to work out with this rifle. WebRuger M77-GS 308 Gunsite Scout Rifle with Threaded Barrel. At 1000 yds. SMKs. Capacity10 Height7.30" Overall Length39.25"-42.75" Length of Pull12" - 15.50" Folded Who knows for sure. 15 to 20 reloads for the brass if annealed every 4th time or so. Heavy-contour (.875" at the muzzle) barrel features a Ruger Precision Rifle Magnum Muzzle Brake with tunable compensator to effectively reduce recoil and muzzle Im a bit surprised at the lack of accuracy. 800 yds. Its very difficult to convince a detective, a prosecutor, a jury, and a judge, that the man you shot at 680 meters was a direct and immediate threat to you. At 100 yards, no. I can hardly believe that at 56 Im finally going to break down and get a .308.. Dont ask me why. Brand: Savage. Brand: Ruger. Wish I had saved it, but American Rifleman did a review of a 16 with their 55 protocol and got ~1moa. A good 3-940 scope priced under a hundred bucks can suffice. I havent shot this Ruger, but I do own a 20 DPMS AR-10 its definitely not a 1MOA rifle. It is sweet, but why bother when .308 covers most of what is needed, and over all is the most common and smartest cartridge to own. The wind conditions on the day I tested the .308 were slightly higher (~5 mph) than the day I tested the 6.5 so Im willing to spot the .308 a little cushion. RUGER PRECISION RIFLE 338 LAPUA MAGNUM | Brownells I ran the 6.5 really hard during my testing. I expect sub MOA accuracy because my Ruger SR762 and SIG716(both 16) shoot that with M80 and .5MOA with Nosler hunting loads that I havent totally dialed in to perfection yet. I like the Ruger Marksmanship Adjustable trigger, with a pull rating of 2.25-lbs to 5-pounds my sample came from the factory right at 3.25-lbs and I didnt see any need to adjust it any lighter, or heavier the pull weight was just perfect for my use. It shoots marvelously well off-hand. Those hunting handloads are easily moa out of my R-25 and also out of a 16 custom barreled rifle I recently built. Otherwise, thanks for taking the time to do two write-ups showing that a similar product in a similar box isnt necessarily similar in the important aspects. (5) Ruger AR-556 16.1" Black w/Adjustable B5 Bravo Stock 223 Remington/5.56 NATO AR15 Semi Auto Rifle. Looks my earlier response got lost in the digital ether. Many of Ms. Weiss shots have been made off-hand with her Anschuetz .22LR rifle. Notify Me When Available. Its not a .30-06 or a Magnum, for one. However, it can get the job done. A .30-06 in a 1903 Springfield recoils more than a .308, it has a steel buttplate, and thats still a what recoil? for this old man and many men much older than I. Every big gun magazine is copying his experiments! Our mail forwarding address is: James Wesley, Rawles But an F-class Savage doesnt look as tacticool, so it cant be as good. My volunteer shooter was not allowed to make any adjustments after I got the stock and scope adjusted for my shooting position. There is also a muzzle brake supplied, on the factory threaded barrel. In the world of practical accuracy, sub-2 MOA at 500 yards is still pretty good, it just isnt great. So either way buying the .308 would probably save a few hundred dollars. 308 Rifle Im hoping these will be decent.. My original goal was to try to use this for 1000 yd. That being said it wont shoot (accurately) past about 850 yards. One of the main attractions on the RPR is the folding stock, that is also adjustable for length of pull and comb height. What designating a rifle as a sniper rifle, or even counter-sniper rifle does do, is give the gun-grabbers one more thing to latch onto and try and ban. I am getting my Viper HS-T properly mounted this week and will hit it again this weekend. I elected to have Ruger send me their RPR in .308 Winchester and its not only a popular hunting round, but also the most popular military sniper round, as well. With very little training, you can sure make a head-shot on a human-sized target at 100-yards with this set-up. I had a RPR in 308 and did not like it. I spend far too much time in my local gun shop, checking out what is new and exciting, and what is used and priced right. Makes me consider competition. , Have the RPR in 6.5 Creedmoormost 3-shot groups have been all shots cutting one anothermuzzle blast and noise are brutal because of the muzzle brake i wear ear plugs and muffs. So the 24 barrel 6.5mm is more accurate than the 20 barrel .308? The barrel wear should not be as much of concern within 500 yard ranges as you only need 1.5 MOA, or so, to be accurate enough. But if youve got an .06, dont loose it, cause youve got more gun. Oh, and theres accuracy, but more on that later. Was hoping to hear good things about this rifle as it has so many features I like, but it looks as though a heavy barreled Savage or Weatherby will out shine what is otherwise an impressive rifle. I can hit the target (not the bullseye) about half the time. Happy Hunting. There is no way to break in or lap such a thing. This new Ruger RPR will pair very nicely with my 20 inch .308 AR. Like I told the owner of 2 of these guns who bought them for rentals at his range, he said they wouldnt shoot MOA, I said call Ruger, raise hell and send them back. The AR-10 is also a much heavier rifle and ammo package.
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