1. It is hard to avoid them though when they are buying up companies left and right. So, no, I do not envision Monsanto doing anything about it or "rescuing us" as you put it. I could write an article stating that the government is doing covert genetic testing on citizens by adding something to the water to make people taller or shorter and people would think it was legitimate, because some random person typed it up and posted it online. Not because of any dislike for you, but for what I would consider obvious reasons, that the discussion was not constructive, which I said. Unfortunately the home garden market is only a drop in the bucket and if a big-ag company decided to discontinue it there would be varieties that could be lost forever. Your one-stop source for non-GMO seeds. I'm sure I have done my share of that, too. We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. Ed, thanks for posting. We do purchase a small number of seeds from the garden seed . 3. seedsNOW Pupilla - From my point of view, in any conversation with another person, you have to win their favor enough to interest them in continuing a conversation with you. With over 1800 seed varieties on offer, the company is proud to have veggies like Black Incan Corn, Coffee Okra and Marble Beans on its roster. You wrote: "Regardless of whether or not only commercial seeds are GMO, a statement by the company that sells seed to home gardeners, that they don't sell GMO seeds, helps eliminate confusion.". And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher. I prefer to make my own decisions and not be conned. Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? I've shared my views on the subject and what I have done as a result of that and the names of seed companies that I use that make me feel I am living up to my own convictions. That is pretty depressing. Only you, evidently, are in pursuit of the truth, and are not trying to mislead or manipulate? Which if you had shared that, we might have found some common ground. Certainly enough to raise concern for anyone willing to consider it and have a starting point to better understand it. No, I've read everything including all links. Not Monsanto, nor any company it owns or any company it has ever owned, will sell you GMO seeds. Ferry-Morse Flower Seeds at Lowes.com From 1856 onward, Ferry Morse seeds have been supplying the freshest and best garden seeds for the home gardens of American gardeners. 4 Ways to Keep Monsanto Out Of Your Backyard - Ask a Prepper If home gardening seed is a small portion of the seed they sell, then targeting commercial seed sales seems to be the way to go. 0000016303 00000 n Pupilla - I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider your posts here as well intentioned. That was not the complete information I was looking for. The company's headquarters were located in New Haven, Connecticut. Thanks your thoughts prarie. As consumers, we have to bear the brunt of the responsibility for that. Is that your point of view? No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. Native Seeds/S.E.A.R.C.H. About Ferry Morse Seeds - GardenersNet.Com Also the list is also, "or sells small percentages of seed from them.". But it would seem to me that, while the conclusions about what happened in India may have been controversial, something definitely negative happened in India as a result of Monsanto introducing GMO seed. I will address your issue about the reputed 250,000 suicides per year in India which you have taken on faith to be true, and not critically taken the time to fact-check. We grow our lawn without fertilizer and use clover and leave selective weeds in the lawn. Not all information regarding Monsanto and GMO's is good or even close to good. Are Ferry Morse seeds any good? - Camomienoteca.com If they include links to the proof, then I'll believe it. We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. It is like watching supermarkets (Big Ag) swallow up the local produce markets (Kramer's Corner Peach Shop), and then either take control over and frequently discontinue products I like. I did the best I could in responding line by line and I hope even if we cannot agree on viewpoints, we can amicably tolerate each other's. Ferry bought land in California to grow crops for seed. Once that I buy only conventionally bred seeds, and prefer only conventionally bred vegetables and fruits and GMOs concern me but this is a case by case problem. Grow your. I share my experiences about organic growing. As for the people who rely on the government and regulatory agencies to protect them, I'd say that putting all your faith in the government for ANYTHING is living in a fools paradise. You only have to look around at many examples of when we have done that. Do you see yourself as above the fray? This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. The movie "Bitter Seed" is simply a movie. Thanks for the rest of the links. Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. Are all Ferry Morse seeds heirloom? 0000011436 00000 n However, after doing this research, I have bought my last Ferry Morse seed packet. They covered the seed company acquisitions briefly and had a graphic with the citation leading back to this person's research. The D.M. And you are complaining that I am disrespectful? Molanic, I just finished reading that article in Mother Earth News. Between 1996 and 2007, Monsanto, the largest supplier of genetically engineered (or GMO) seed traits,2 acquired more than a dozen smaller companies,3 and it now controls 60 percent of corn and 62.5 percent of soy-bean seeds and seed trait licenses in the United States.4 The business was merged into Plantation Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. Is Ferry Morse Seeds owned by Monsanto? I spent over 2 hours composing a post this morning, which amounted to defending what I meant by what I said and after two hours of that, had no time left to actually discuss GMOs. And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. We offer a large selection of home gardening vegetables seeds with high yields. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously in the United States. It sounds more like an environmental disaster in India to me, if this information is accurate. If you call and ask, I can imagine you could get the run around. Both a little assertive. I will not boycott good seed companies because Monsanto owns them. Just thought I would put it out there for anyone interested. No company sells GMO seeds to home gardeners. Two people posted about two seed companies on the list. Back in the early 1980s, there was only a 'seed' of the organic movement. I never would have guessed. They were certainly optional for anyone that had a desire to read them. Since their main activity and goals are to create GMO seed and not to produce conventionally hybridized seed, then it is not unreasonable to consider that they have plans to use the seeds of those companies to genetically modify them. That is difficult to do when my friends are talking about, and I quote you describing a "documentary": "How about the film it links to, called Bitter Seeds which is a documentary about the impact of genetically modified cotton on Indias farmers and the suicide rate of over a quarter million Bt Cotton farmers each year due to financial stress resulting from massive crop failure and the price of Monsantos Bt seeds? Great prices. Ferry-Morse has been trusted by gardeners since 1856. What is it that you feel I am bullying you into doing? Didn't know someone was trying to track the government officials who are making policy that allows Monsanto to continue along. 0000007704 00000 n Is there any way to stop getting notifications of this topic? About Burpee Seeds - Burpee - Burpee Seeds and Plants Do you realize how confusing that is? LOL! As to me labeling you, no, absolutely not. Multiple smaller, non high tech companies that are manageable by individuals and an asset to their communities. My original question Are you against any of the things Monsanto has done or is doing? you dont want to answer. [7], Meanwhile, in 1874, R. W. Wilson began a seed-producing company based in Santa Clara, California. I have no complaint about you personally, only with the incompatibility of our conversational style and how that interferes with us gaining any ground in either of our positions on this issue. Ive made a few points that represent my own point of view and you skip right over them in favor of suffocating the conversation with more of your own opinions and explanations and analysis. 0000011324 00000 n Perhaps because half of this thread is me, explaining and defending myself. You've made broad, generalizations about the people on both sides of this controversy as if you are not part of either side. Nothing. That coincided with my first efforts to begin gardening and their organic, 'love the earth' approach was like a life line. 0000022414 00000 n You give me alternative suggestions, but Im afraid you have not solved the GMO issue with your alternative suggestions at all. Disneyland Park is a registered trademark of The Walt Disney Company. And here is another article, from Reuters. You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. Model# 9507. Jiffy Seed Starting. As of 2005 Ferry Morse is owned by Jiffy, makers of the Jiffy starter kits and based in Norway. Whose goal is to"Advance the ethical development and stewardship of the genetic resources of agricultural seed.". And a few comments later, you said you were not looking for an argument, but I dispute that statement. I disagree, that only when you are trying to convince someone of something, do you need to win their favor. In 1999, a group of seed catalog companies, led by High Mowing Organic Seeds, teamed up to create the Safe Seed Pledge. While most companies have a life span of 50-60 years, the average age of our brands is 122 years! I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply 'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleading information with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering. 0000510000 00000 n As should every living person on the earth. You should not assume I must do all the grunt work for an argument if I start and find no credibility nor effort to fact check on your part. [And now about you]. I stick to the few seed companies, who I think take avoiding their seed pretty seriously. It is way too long, and was built upon a post that is riddled with misinformation, so it requires far more fact checking then I have time for right now. I dont know what you consider a good source of accurate information about Monsanto, but Ive quickly turned to Wikipedia for some. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. Who is considering that? That is why there is a plethora of graphs and guides online trying to keep track of what they actually own. And even in our conversation, I have not found you to accurately read and understand what I've written. No shipping on orders over $30. You call me out? They also sell organic supplies that are not always easy to find. Notice they do not even qualify it with the word "knowingly", they are giving you a guaranty, unlike the other companies. Really good article, I learned a few things. I don't want to loose those tomatoes, but I can see some people that think losing them would be a victory (against what? One thing is for sure. It was established in 1896 by Dr. Albert Edward McKenzie, and claims to supply 60% of Canada's packet seed market. Again, thread was how to avoid planting GMO seeds. Since I just listed the reasons why I wanted to end the conversation, the question does not need to be answered by you. 0000010754 00000 n I'm sure that what I've had to say will not be satisfactory to you. [5][8] However, Wilson's health was poor, and in 1877 he sold the operation to Charles Copeland Morse and A. L. https://www.msu.edu/~howardp/seedindustry.html. Gunna go GMO & Chemical ( & other non-goodie stuff ) free! Pupilla - I'm sorry to tell you this, but I don't find an explanation in your post at all. Burpee was never owned by Monsanto, but sold its west coast operations which changed hands and were eventually bought by Monsanto. Again, we have much common ground about our misgivings of Big Ag, and how the 7 big aggies are gobbling everything up and the smaller companies have difficulties keeping up and having the R&D funding to compete with the new breeding technologies besides GM, and how I support the little guys with a large portion of my seed purchases. 4 Steps for Keeping Monsanto OUT of Your Garden! - The Healthy Home It is sort of intended as an "open source", freely distributed GMO introduction going on in Florida right now. Yet at the same time, you suggest ways of affecting their bottom line, which would indicate you are against them to some degree. We have them. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed businesses in the United States and pioneered the practice of selling only fresh flower, herb, and vegetable . [12], In 2012, Seed Holdings acquired Ferry-Morse from Jiffy. I would like to see the world get away from this kind of development. I personally have no opinion about Monsanto, except to roll my eyes when people scream about how they are going to control the food supply and kill us all. I don't think that that is a very reliable list. If they discontinue their variety they know me and thousands of others will kick their butt. Very early in this thread, that problem was addressed and resolved. McKenzie is Canada's #1 seed packet company. And more detailed explanations about what you meant and what you think. More selfish motives that ignore what is good for mankind or the natural world, in general. And if you did not want to, then why did you find the one link that you disagreed with and respond to only that? Only if you are trying to convince them of something. Is Garden of Life owned by Monsanto? Burpee gets $0.10 of it, marginalized Asian Indian farmers producing it get $0.05 of it (I'd rather buy US seed, but cheap hybrid seed is usually produced there which at least helps very needy and hardworking people), Florida gets $0.03 if I paid sales tax on retail seeds (can't remember) UPS gets $0.01 of it. Unless you are saying that all information that is critical of Monsanto is false. It is possible that some companies are not eager to advertise what they own. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? We bought Giant, Violet Queen Zinna Seeds from Ferry-Morse Seed Co., then planted them, and carefully watered and nursed them! Ferry Morse Seed Company is one of America's oldest and most trusted garden seed companies. Five Ways the FDA Has Failed Consumers on Genetically Engineered Foods 2013, http://ecowatch.com/2013/03/07/fda-genetically-engineered-foods/, USDA will not take action in case of GMO alfalfa contamination, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/17/usa-alfalfa-gmo-idUSL2N0HD1SQ20130917. Monsanto mounts an aggressive GMO PR campaign 2015, http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Bite/2015/0318/Monsanto-mounts-an-aggressive-GMO-PR-campaign. I see some noble motive given to something, like trying to cure disease attached to the pursuit of biotech methods, but many other motives become more the focus as that pursuit develops. [4], Ferry began to operate facilities outside Detroit. I said this topic was an emotional issue for everyone, not just me. And this is actually your version of limiting the scope of your discussion to only what was relative? National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice, reference from the British publication Nature, the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published, https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf, using taj mahal quartzite for kitchen counter. I keep my variety! :-). 3. Ferry & Co.[2], The business grew steadily and, in 1879, was incorporated under the name D.M. 0000003294 00000 n What is the best place to buy seeds online? - Mystylit.com I have selected one or two only at a time to respond to and even with those I have written at least as many, but I think plenty more words than you. My participation in this thread stems from the desire to see first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness in evaluating any product. Nearly 70 percent of gardeners said they buy most of their seeds from mail-order vegetable seed companies. I dont care if we lose Monsanto varieties. I am not an evangelist, simply a critical thinker who keeps their faith to themselves and encourages others to respect the belief of all just not to manipulate others with the sort of false, misleading & manipulative, and incomplete information which activists on both artificially created poles routinely are doing. A List of Some Seed Companies Owned by Monsanto Or Sell Monsanto And But why artificially restrict my options like that. [g] Not always easy to get what is in your head clearly down on the page. So, because I have discussed avoiding GMO seeds, I am deliberately manipulating people and bullying them and using fear as a weapon, with an argument that is illogical? You are so right. When you infer (incorrectly) I could be labeling you, you miss the foundation of my point, which is that anti-Monsanto preachers and Monsanto marketers are a false dichotomy (a.k.a., an exclusion of the middle) and my context is that I will not succumb to either rhetorical extreme (faith-based or money-based). You have used it a a major component of two posts. 0000536287 00000 n You call this a debate and I object to the use of that term. :-), I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say. Monsanto owned seed brands OWNED BY MONSANTO OR SEMINIS OR SELL SMALL The recent development of the "Golden Rice Project" has aimed to genetically alter the staple crop to provide vitamin A to people who depend on rice for sustenance and as a result of their diet, often suffer severe deficiencies in the nutrient which can cause blindness and increases infant mortality rates in the developing world.In fact, as the worlds population continues to grow, use of GE crops shows significant promise to stabilizing the worlds food supply. With one fell swoop in 2005, Monsanto grabbed approximately 40% of the US vegetable seed market with its acquisition of Seminis. The context of my comment was that in exiting the conversation you told me you were going to give me the benefit of the doubt about my intentions. Is that your point of view?, So, no, I do not envision Monsanto doing anything about it or "rescuing us" as you put it. [5] The combined firm became the largest seed distribution company in the world. Sunflower Fun Sunny Hybrid Mix Seed. D.M. And here is where I corrected what you said the first time. It is a disease where I will be forced to make a decision if the GM technology is the solution that will save the $10 billion Florida Citrus industry. Or that people who oppose GMOs do not have legitimate reasons to consider them dangerous? If you have done any research at all, you have to be aware of things that Monsanto has done and is doing, that you dont agree with. I will not throw my favorite large red hybrid tomato, developed before 1970, under the bus just because Monsanto bought it. Is Ferry-Morse seeds owned by Monsanto? There's plenty of it. The end result: faster and stronger growth resulting in higher yields. Do you realize that is what you are saying? I am not a fan of Monsanto's practices or the other big agri-chem companies. And to report something that is fearful, is 'using fear as a weapon'? Again, I am worried that the consolidation will cause the loss of many varieties, and I think the original post calling for a boycott will only accelerate that since the home garden market is negligible. All Seeds of Change seeds are 100% Organic and 100% Non-GMO. Pupilla - I just saw this response. 0000492971 00000 n For that reason I did not respond to your comments that were not relevant to the points, and that should not be assumed to be agreement, but only my way of prioritizing what was important (from my POV). "Ferry Morse Seed Company, San Francisco", Central Garden & Pet Completes Acquisition of Green Garden, Digitized copies of D.M. and aside from seeds, I don't use the kind of products they make any way. Yours is a textbook statement of the fallacious logical argument of appeal to fear / argument from adverse consequences. But if you did not have an interest or the time to look at them, you only had to say so. [8], In the early 1900s, D.M. Thank you for the link to Seed Alliance, that was encouraging. 0000536667 00000 n And you are depending on the current legal climate, while Monsanto is using all that money you are putting in their coffers to try to alter the legal climate, so that they will ultimately have control of the food supply. I would wonder that they were going to tamper with them. The first year the company did $6,000 in business. It is available, however the poorest starving workers currently earn more using the GM cotton, which to them means more money for nutrition, health and the other necessities their earnings buy. for pricing and availability. "Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. 0000001396 00000 n Respect your time? The cries against GE crops can be so shrill and misinformed that it leads people to destroy test fields of the golden rice, ruining not only beneficial scientific progress and research, but medicine that children in poor countries desperately need. Similar to our situation with the food supply, dependence on the government is only a service to the government, never the governed. And that has not changed since the first time I posted it. and adding if I must only bow to your statement, you have increased the negativity of what you said. Get the Container-Friendly Flower Kit from Ferry-Morse for $39.99. 0000535219 00000 n About Ferry-Morse. I saw that article in my travels but didn't have time to read it and I almost posted a link to it earlier. And what is going to happen to the seed they are selling? [4] However, Ferry quickly re-organized the company, bought seeds from outside sources and absorbed two smaller seed companies, and the company managed to fill orders for its customers. But in this reply you conclude in your post again referencing India with another false dilemma sometimes called The Appeal to Fear in a conclusion that is built on multiple conjectures that you have, and has also been called fear-mongering by others (but not my description of choice since I prefer to call it a logical fallacy). We take pride in helping families across the country enjoy gardening and the fresh foods and flowers the garden produces. This year, I used FEDCO for my vegetable seeds again. Which makes it difficult to discuss with you. Ferry Morse seeds have thrived through the years. I think we can both persue our understanding of GMO issues separately and perhaps, in the future we can stick to discussing which tomato tastes the best. There was one woman who was so completely misinformed about the subject that she was worried that the Miracle-Gro potting mix she bought was GMO. NotMonsanto. What about the risks of GMO seeds and plants? I have a better idea. Over the years, the stocking evolved into high-tech netting that provides roots with the optimum amount of air and water. You still dont know that they wont at some future time. [4], By the early 1900s, the company was doing over $2,000,000 per year in business, and supplying seeds to 160,000 retail outlets. Compare $ 1 98. 'Any talk of avoiding the seeds for purchase is circular logic - intended to manipulate people by bullying the and using fear as a weapon'. 0000509606 00000 n African Daisy Mixed Colors Flower Seeds (Seed Packet) .22-Gram. Anyone have any information about that? All rights reserved. The question means, that based on all the preceding explanation I gave of the difficulty I was having with the conversation, why would I want to continue it? A Brief History of Monsanto and Seed Houses Who Got Screwed [8] A merger made sense for both companies, and in 1930 they combined to form the Ferry-Morse Company. Ferry & Co. [ edit] Ferry seed catalog for 1900 It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. Hopefully if it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue.". And complete information doesn't exist, there is always some amount of information that is unavailable to us. But because I dont know you, and because you continue to state your intentions are good, I choose to believe that you dont understand how adding this kind of analysis to the conversation becomes a problem.
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