The .50-70 rolling block rifle remained the standard arm of the New York State Militia until the late 1890s. Ninety percent or more of both rifles and carbines were re-blued and refinished by the host country to a practically like new condition, complete with cosmoline. Later Model 1897 was not catalogued in these two scarce chamberings. This variant of the Spanish Model is not common. Left-over Egyptian models were catalogued by Remington up to 1882 and were sometimes advertised as French Model. The M1867 rifle became very popular among civilian hunters in Sweden, particularly for moose hunting, which led to Husqvarna Vapenfabrik producing about 85,000 rifles with the M1867 rolling-block action for the civilian market, in addition to the more than 100,000 they made for the armed forces. If only rifles could talk, neat, I saw a rifle with that plaque many years ago. For sale is a This is a no reserve penny auction for a Remington Model 2 Rolling Block single-shot rifle in .32 Rimfire. The state of New York held its own trials to replace its National Guard's . Most are encountered in well used condition, however, they are easily identified. From 1888 until the end of production, REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY marked on tang which reflects the reorganization of the company. Does anyone have any more recent data on the serial number range of the Model 4? [5] In addition to that 10,000 complete rifles and 20,000 actions made in the US were bought from Remington. Remington Rolling Block Serial Numbers - Remington Society Inexperienced buyers should be cautious as some dealers in the past have offered these as in "arsenal fresh new condition". google_ad_height = 600; To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. Generally someone is available to answer your call M-Ffrom 9am to 5pm, CentralTime. 4 - solid frame, non-takedown. by roundtop Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:57 pm, Post The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. During the American Civil War, gunsmith Leonard M. Geiger designed the basic action, in which the shooter rolled the breechblock backward with the thumb and inserted a cartridge in the breech, before the block rolled forward and the interlocking hammer cocked in one fluid motion. We can't find much in the way of manufacturing dates on this rifle except that the barrel (which is the original and serial numbered to the gun) is marked E. REMINGTON & SONS. Tang markings of Kjobenhavn Tojhuis and year indicate a Danish copy which is very common in the United States. About 5,000 of the rifles made in Sweden were delivered to Norway while the rest of the production was for Sweden. The sight of the rifle was the last item to be standardized because no one could agree on which would be best. In 12.1742mmRF and 12.1844mmRF (two cartridges that were interchangeable), and towards the end of its service life also 858mmR Danish Krag centerfire, the rolling-block served as the standard service rifle of the Swedish Army from 1867 to the mid-1890s, when it was replaced by the Swedish Mauser. Remington .50-70 Rolling Block History: New York's Pick to Arm Its It is estimated almost a quarter of a million were sold up to 1878-82. All production rifles were meant to be manufactured at Kongsberg Vpenfabrik in Norway, but since the factory needed to be upgraded with more modern machinery, 5000 of the first rifles delivered to the Norwegian Army were manufactured by Husqvarna Vapenfabrik in Sweden in 1871-72. Two other Sioux attacks were also thwarted, and the cowboys completed their incredible drive with the loss of just one man. Noteworthy is that RV-marked Cuban carbines are usually re-chambered to the improved .43 Reformado cartridge, which is interchangeable with the Spanish Remington cartridge. This gun, designed by F.A. Rare. In 1899-1900, Mexico bought 14,712 of these military-style rifles and carbines for issue to its second-line army troops, as well as to federal and rural police. Many bank closings, and layoffs. Meacham of St. Louis, and they were also in demand at gun shops in more out-of-the-way places. Make: Remington Model: The McKinley Serial number: RB 0419 Barrel: 30" octagon/round Finish: Blued Stock: Walnut, sealed with flat finish boiled linseed oil Caliber: 45-70, 325 grain,. It affected both Europe and the USA. First-year contract version with its concave breech-block is scarce and will reap a 50 percent premium depending on condition. The early production rifles had an L-shaped sight that could be flipped over, but the final design was a unique combination of other ideas. Remington Rolling Block No.4 The #4 Remington rolling block is the smallest of the rolling block rifles. Remington No. 7 Rifle - Remington Society of America It was made from left-over Model 1871 rolling block pistol receivers, and resulted in a very well balanced rifle for short-range shooting. Around 250,000 military rifles and carbines and 85,000 civilian rifles in Sweden, were produced under license by Carl Gustafs Stads Gevrsfaktori and Husqvarna Vapenfabriks Aktiebolag, and about 53,000 rifles in Norway by Kongsberg Vaapenfabrik. by Uechi Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:00 am, Post Remington 'Round Top' Rolling Block Restored Houghton, J.O. For questions about our inventory, please write to: leroy@merzantique.com, Designed by Elegant Themes | Powered by WordPress. Serial number- 13632. My serial number is in the 350,000 block. Model 1896 was offered in 7mm Spanish Mauser, 7.65mm Mauser, .30/40 Krag, 6mm (.236 Remington) and 7.62/.30 Remington. Post 1874 Catalogued Generic Spanish Model. These easily concealable revolvers have distinct characteristics and are synonymous with both law enforcement and the hoods they pursued. (*) For sale is a This is a no reserve penny auction for a Remington Model 2 Rolling Block single-shot rifle in .32 Rimfire. To make an offer please complete the form below: Minimum price for the offer must be greater than or equal to $0. The top of the receiver ring was not "octagoned" like the later No. [12] The rolling-block later saw service with George Armstrong Custer's Seventh Cavalry at the Battle of the Little Bighorn, and also in the hands of Native American braves during the Indian Wars.[13][14]. Several thousand were unsold until 1921, when most were transferred to warehouses of Remington agents and wholesalers to be sold at almost fire sale prices. Remingtons manufactured after 1921 manufacture. Remington pressured Greece into canceling their contract to reap a higher price from the French. Seems like there is a lot of conflicting information on these firearms. enable_page_level_ads: true Those Egyptian rifles sold to France are the only specimens that occasionally surface in any appreciable condition. V1-C1 Barrel Length: 26 Bore condition: Fair, Your email address will not be published. Thanks in advance Tennessee Snuffy Posted January 22, 2020 This may be some help: https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/remington-model-6-date.122023/ All have screw-retained barrel bands. Thousands have been imported to U.S. since the 1960s. On both tangs it has the #79 stamped. These are great little rifles, and yours appears to be in much better than average condition, and it looks like you got a very good price on it. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. The rolling block action has poor gas handling design in case of a blown primer. Those Remington Spanish Model rifles of the Third and final contract were overproduced by several thousand more than Spain had originally ordered for the 1873 contract. It was only produced in rim fire cartridges and may be found in the three variations shown here plus military and Boy Scout models. So, it would appear your estimate is very close. 1 Sporting Rifles, which were appearing around 1873 at about serial number 1400. Your 1400 ser. I realize they could have put it on both tangs so they could rematch trigger guard with frame after fitting parts. Production of the Model 2 started in 1873 and lasted until 1910. (this number may not be operations since Remington moved to the deep south). Quite possible you've seen the rifle. Any Argentine Model without the stamping over the chamber, and having a short saber bayonet lug is one of 2,500 ultra-rare Honduran contract rifles, which were nothing more than modified surplus Argentine variants. Remington M1867 - Wikipedia Description: Take Down Rifle Introduction Year: 1901 Year Discontinued: 1933 Total Production: Approximately: 498,000 Designer/Inventor: W . While our Army ultimately went with the Springfield Trapdoor, the Navy chose the Model 1867 Remington-made rolling block carbine in .50-45, then ordered a further 10,000 Model 1870 rolling block rifles in .50-70 Gov't made at Springfield Armory under license. I sold my original Rolling block and the book I bought on Rolling Blocks. I got the book from Buffalo Arms. google_ad_slot = "4659516359"; Between 1878 and 1882, Remington had no customers for left-over Egyptian contract rifles. Actions on this contract had serial numbers as well and date of 1868. It nevers ceases to frustrate me when you look at or purchase a No.1 Sporter with matching serial numbers and it it isn't even possible to determine the year of manufacture. Model 6 Rolling Block | Remington - RemArms The culprit the financial " Panic of 1873" which didn't end until 1879. Further testing - which included test firing by previously untrained troops - showed that both the Peabody and the Remington was suitable for issuing to the field army. by Uechi Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:02 am, Post The plaque reads " From Stewart and James to Robert. When Pancho Villa raided Columbus, N.M., in 1916, many of his band carried the Model 1897 Remington rolling-block rifles or carbines in the contemporary 7.92mm Mauser cartridge, most of them probably stolen from the many rurales (rural police) armories in northern Mexico. The barrel retains a good deal of original blue beginning to turn brown with scattered light dings. History is a guide to navigation in perilous times. The intention was to allow for cheaper training. That might be a possiblity since the barrel is marked " ST" but has no set trigger Anything is possible, but I doubt the 1874 date but who knows and the frustration continues. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The early split-breech action allowed the hammer to sit between the weaker, split-wall breechblock configuration that took only low-pressure, rimfire ammunition such as the .56-56 Spencer or .44 Henry cartridges. These rifles were made in a variety of calibers, both rimfire and centerfire, including the 12.17x42 mm rimfire, 12.17x44 mm rimfire and 12.17x44 mm rimmed centerfire Swedish and Norwegian cartridges, .43 Spanish (11.15x58mmR), .50-70, .40-70, .45-70 and later in .22 caliber. https://www.historynet.com/the-remington-rolling-block/, Jerrie Mock: Record-Breaking American Female Pilot, These Blundering Bandits Didnt Wear Masks or Have an Escape Plan No Surprise They Blew This Railroad Heist, He Served the Army and Sitting Bull Well Both Before and After Facing Charges for Murder. To make an offer please complete the form below: Minimum price for the offer must be greater than or equal to $0. In modern times, such an addition became known as Model 1910 for collector convenience, but again was not an official Remington Arms Company term. [5] Other varieties were "gevr m/1867-74" with a new rear stock design and "kammarskjutningsgevr m/1884" and "kammarskjutningskarbin m/1884" in 10.15x61R Jarmann (rifles and carbines primarily used for gallery shooting, that is short range training). One needs to be sure that the barrel is original to the gun before trusting the Barrel Code listing, above. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Remington M1867. Named after the Spanish Civil Guard, but never been proven to be issued to them. Many of these were converted into hunting rifles and shotguns, so that it has become difficult to find an M1867 in its original form. Ed. The 12.17mm caliber was chosen because the Swedish army had approximately 30,000 new muzzle-loading M1860 and breech-loading M1864 rifles in 12.17mm caliber in stock, rifles that were suitable for conversion to M1867 rolling-block rifles. Advertised until 1882. The barrel, the tang and the forearm snabble all have the same serial number. First April, 1897 catalog listed Remington's new Smokeless Powder Small Bore Military Rifle as Model 1896 until end of the year when it became Model 1897. Manufactured from 1866 to 1917, the Remington rolling-block cartridge rifle was so popular that more than half the worlds armies adopted it or purchased quantities for police or martial purposes. In any case, the cowboys used the Remingtons effectively in fighting off an Indian attack near Fort Reno (in what would become Wyoming). The first Remington rolling block introduced in the smokeless period was the Remington Model 1897. In reality, Spain cancelled the receipt of close to 5,500 .43 Spanish-caliber rifles remaining in the contract, as the in-country licensed production had caught up with demand. In 1880 Kongsberg Vpenfabrikk delivered 72 conversion kits for the rifles which allowed less expensive 22LR ammunition to be fired from the M1867 for training. All have REMINGTON ILION, NY address and are found with various locally applied Spanish government and Cuban garrison markings. Many fell victim to the re-barreling vise and re-chambering craze in the 1960s to rebuild them into sporting-type rifles for more common .45-70 cartridge. Produced under license in Denmark, original Remington-made version is not commonly encountered. A very reasonable explanation for why a rifle made in in 1874 might have an 1879 Plaque. Manufacture Dates - Remington Society of America One of the most unusual and very well built special order export versions of Spanish Model was this .43 Spanish caliber Rolling Block of which Remington produced an estimated 50,000 rifles and carbines. The official military designation for the cartridge was '12mm Remington' from 1879.[4]. Most of the original 10,000 Remington rifles had serialized barrels. Stocks usually have unit markings and individual serial numbers. google_ad_slot = "3335216935"; [17] Guns with decorative brass Islamic crescents and Arabic inscriptions on the buttstock are not uncommon on the collector's market. 1903 and 1903A3 Production and Serial No table. One model of Swedish military M1867 rifles modified to use the 12.1744mmR centerfire cartridge was the "gevr m/1867-74". CONDITION: The bore is smooth and bright with no signs of roughness. During the 43-year period, there were 356,000 guns sold. This version of Spanish Model was modified from existing stocks of surplus over-runs of Remington .43 Egyptian caliber rifle. The price for each barrel was slightly higher, but the better design reduced misfire damage and ultimately resulted in cost effectiveness. [20], During World War I, the British Royal Navy purchased 4,500 rolling-block rifles in 7mm Mauser from Remington's leftover stock after production had ended, issuing them to the crews of minesweepers and Q-ships. Today I purchased an early no#5 rolling block rifle. How do I tell which Remington Rolling Block Action I have Denmark ordered 42,000 rifles and 1,800 carbines in 11mm Danish Remington rimfire cartridge. google_ad_width = 160; The Dominican Republic was one of the last recorded customers purchasing a quantity as late as 1888. When the stamp for the side patents came out Remington no longer used the 1874 stamp on the sporters. Later models were produced in .30-06 Springfield, 757mm Mauser, and 850mmR Lebel. Ed. For several hours, the cowboys kept up a steady stream of fire from the rapid firing rolling blocks and forced the Sioux to retreat. These saddle ring carbines remained part of the lineup until 1902, with most having a 20.5" barrel. /* RSA 160 wide tower */ Subscribe to receive our weekly newsletter with top stories from master historians. In late spring 1866, Samuel Remington crossed the Atlantic to demonstrate the rifle in Europe. The frame is a small to medium size between the heavy actions of the target and military rifles but larger than the small-frame .22 rifles. The serial number is in the 13,000 range. Your annual membership will bring you in contact with those who share your Remington interests. ILION NY. By the fall of 1866, cases of Remington rolling-block rifles in various calibers had found their way to Kansas, Texas, Colorado Territory and elsewhere in the West. The frame is a small to medium size between the heavy actions of the target and military rifles but larger than the small-frame .22 rifles. You may be right that it sat in stock someplace. Later, the Indians suggested that the white men were protected by some new medicine.. Also, a small "H" cartouche is found on left receiver, as well as on the flat of the bayonet lug, which indicates Hartley the primary contractor who had the conversions completed. In .43 Spanish it was the chief service arm of the Spanish Army from 18691893, and was used by reserve and militia forces for many years thereafter. Stamping starts with Remington,(not E Remington). Remington Barrel date Code - LeeRoy's Ramblings These are difficult to price, but normally reap a far higher tag than the standard 1879 Argentine model. I am grateful that John says the No 4 is probably an antique. By the end of World War I, rolling blocks had been left in the dust; yet during the Depression years, hunters and miners still used them. Single carbine barrel band with two-position 100-, 300- and 500-yard sight. Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it. With the exception of the first 10,000 rifles and 20,000 actions (for conversions of older rifles), which were made by Remington in the US, all Remington M1867 rifles and carbines were made under license in Norway and Sweden, by Kongsberg Vaapenfabrik in Norway, and by Husqvarna Vapenfabriks Aktiebolag and Carl Gustafs stads Gevrsfaktori in Sweden with the two Swedish manufacturers producing about 80% of the weapons. Ed, Ill try amd post a pic tomorrow. Note: Standard Generic Spanish Model (add 20% if Long or Short combination bayonet lug is present). If you are correct then the stock is not original to the serialized parts or the rifle was made special order from parts at the factory made in 1874. Standard original sights. Required fields are marked *. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land. Post The following letters correspond to the That's OK it's how you learn. From 1900 onwards, the Norwegian Army sold the obsolete M1867 to the public for a nominal price. These are very scarce variations and practically all are stamped with the Japanese Kanji characters of Surplus/Disposed Rifle with a Japanese/Chinese character numeration on the right side of the chamber. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! If you could show a picture of the plaque someone might have some knowledge of the persons involved. Surplus military rifles were also sold to civilians, most them being converted to 12.1744mmR centerfire cartridges. Remington Model 2 Rolling Block - .32 Rimfire | D4 Guns As late as 1918, bandidos armed with rolling blocks were still raiding border settlements, but they found themselves outgunned by U.S. lawmen and state militiamen. Early slot extractor, three-band rifle with no provision for saber bayonet lug, leaf adjustable rear sight, spring held barrel bands. The gun dealer I purchased the rifle from got it at a gun show I believe in Oklahoma. Swedish m/1867 rifle. [10] The split breech rifle lacked a hammer spur because it self-cocked when the breechblock was opened. Barrel 36", with long saber bayonet lug and three barrel bands spring retained. Nominally it had a caliber of 4 decimal lines, but the actual caliber was 3.88 Norwegian decimal lines or 4.1 Swedish decimal lines (12.17mm), and it fired a rimfire round with a 12.615mm (.497 in) lead bullet. Equipped with the improved rotary extractor, this configuration accounts for a majority of sales for the next 36 years. The #4 was made between 1890 and 1933. google_ad_client = "ca-pub-5708522835464660"; After leaving two wounded cowboys at the fort, Storys party of 28 pushed on, and in late October 1866, north of Fort Kearny, they faced even greater oddsan estimated 500 Sioux warriors readying for an attack. They continued to mark the date code on the end flap of the shipping box. This was the only Remington Rolling Block with full octogon barrel in a 22 inch (actually 22 1/2") barrel length. These later versions may often be found in practically new, unissued condition with bright case colors. Back in June 1876, less than three years after the Remington company received his letter of kudos, George Armstrong Custer took his cherished rolling-block sporting rifle with octagonal barrel on what would be his last campaign. This was the first quantity contract sold overseas by Remington in 1867. France practically put Rolling Block tooling into full production following 1914-15 World War One French Contract. Remington No. 1 Rolling Block Rifles (Rem. No. 1) - CHUCKHAWKS.COM by Uechi Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:04 pm, Post Many may well have been re-chambered during the 1960s re-barreling craze of surplus rolling block rifles and carbines. From the 1870s until the late 1910s, the biggest fans of the Remington rolling block seemed to be in Mexico. During the last years of the 19th century the M1867 in all its different guises was finally replaced in Swedish military service by Mauser bolt action repeating rifles and carbines (with a modified Mauser 1893 action), under the designations "karbin m/1894" and "gevr m/1896", in caliber 6.555mm.
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